Bedtime What Time?

May 17, 2012  |  0-3 Months, 1 YO, 2 YO, 3-6 Months, 6-9 Months, 9-12 Months
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Before you had kids going to bed was a forgettable event. Now bedtime is a glorious nirvana that you fantasize about throughout the day. Bedtime is also really important to your baby or kid. Bedtime that is too late, unpredictable, or inconsistent can set you up for a long slog of a night. And figuring out when bedtime should be and what it should look like isn’t always easy. Lots of parents seem to be wondering, “What is a normal bedtime?”

Newborn Bedtime

Newborn babies generally have a very late bedtime frustratingly staying awake far past the time where you are actually enjoying their company. It’s not uncommon for newborn babies to have a long period where they are awake and fussy (by which I mean they are all but inconsolable but WILL NOT SLEEP). This is called the witching hour and generally falls anywhere between 6:00 PM – 11:00 PM. And while it can leave the whole household in tears, it’s normal and temporary. The witching hour is also, blessedly, followed by the largest chunk of uninterrupted sleep you are likely to see for the first few months. So if you aren’t going to bed immediately after your newborn baby, you’re missing out.

Other things you probably want to know about newborn babies and bedtime include:

1

Bedtime is late.

Probably later than you would like. Anywhere between 7:00 PM and 12:00 AM.

2

Don’t spend 3 hours trying to make bedtime happen.

Trying to get a non-sleeping baby to sleep will leave you both feeling exhausted and resentful. If you’ve been at it for ~30 minutes and it’s not happening then it’s time to graciously accept defeat. Move on to some other soothing activity (warm bath, stroller walk, bouncy seat time) and try again later.

3

Bedtime may bounce around.

Newborns may not fall asleep consistently at the same time each night. What was their “bedtime” last night may turn into a 20 minute nap tonight. This is frustrating but also inevitable.

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Newborn bedtime routine?

Your newborn baby doesn’t require a consistent routine but it certainly won’t hurt.

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What does a newborn bedtime routine look like?

Usually it’s pretty simple – a warm bath, infant massage, clean diaper, feed, then soothe to sleep.

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Don’t sweat “putting them down awake.”

YES you need to teach your baby to fall asleep on their own and all the baby sleep books you’ve got stacked next to your bed stress the importance of this. However NOW is not the time to worry about this. VERY few newborn babies are able to fall asleep without substantial assistance. So while you are welcome to try putting your baby down awake don’t feel like a failure if it’s not working yet.

Newborn Baby’s Bedtime Ridiculously Late?

Sometimes your newborn baby will stay up college-student late. If your baby goes to bed at 11:00 PM you have a normal newborn baby. If your baby is still awake at 2:00 AM then you have a problem. The MOST COMMON causes of a baby who is awake when the bars close are:

  • You’re taking your baby to a bar. Please stop.
  • Your baby is OVER tired. If your newborn baby has been awake since noon he’s likely so tired that it’s now all but impossible for him to sleep.
  • Your baby needs more soothing. Have you embraced white noise, swaddling, swinging, and pacifiers? If not, please do.

Sleep is Shifted?

spacer Sometimes newborn babies go to bed very late and then sleep very late. For example your baby might be up until 1:00 AM and then (not including night feedings) sleep until noon the next day. Thus you have a baby who is getting a healthy 11 hours of sleep at night but the timing of “night” isn’t lining up with the rest of civilization. How do you fix this? You gradually start waking your baby up earlier in the morning. Wake your baby up 15 minutes earlier every day or so until your baby is waking up closer to 6:00 AM – 7:00 AM. This will slowly shift everything else in his day so that naps and thus bedtime will start to shift earlier too. It will take weeks for everything to get sorted out but it’s definitely worth it.

Early Bedtime is Better

As your baby get’s older (3/4+ months) an early bedtime has multiple benefits.

  • Nobody wants to come over and help you with your fussy baby at 1:00 AM, where plenty of people would love to tickle his cranky toes at 9:00 AM.
  • It creates the opportunity for you to have a bit of free time yourself. In most homes, 7:00 PM – 10:00 PM is known as “happy hour”. Not because everybody has a cocktail in hand (although it’s possible) but because this is the only time of the day that you aren’t running after a little person.
  • Most playgroups/playdates are scheduled on the assumption of baby’s naps occurring at 9:00 AM and 1:00 PM (ish) which will never happen when your baby is sleeping till noon.
  • Having a baby up in the dark and sleeping during the day disrupts some very important chemical processes that are triggered by light, which overtime, will work against you.
  • And as your baby gets older you’ll find he wakes up earlier regardless of when he goes to bed, so maintaining a late bedtime simply results in less sleep overall.

Bedtime for Baby

Once your baby is no longer a newborn (older than 3-4 months) bedtime should no longer be a stressful crapshoot. You may still have a witching hour but hopefully this has shifted earlier and is easier to manage. Other things that are pretty typical for a baby (3 months to 1 year) include:

1

Bedtime happens at the same time each night.

It might fluctuate by 30-45 minutes but unlike when your baby was a newborn, it should no longer be a complete and total mystery.

2

Bedtime is earlier.

If your baby is under 6 – 8 months it still might be later (say 9:00 PM) but when they drop the 3rd nap (usually by 9-12 months) bedtime should scoot up towards 7:00 PM and stay there.

3

You are “defending” bedtime against late naps.

If early evening naps are throwing off bedtime, it’s time to skip them. As your baby gets older a consistent bedtime is more important than napping at 5:00 PM. This may mean you can’t get into the car after 4:00 PM, take an evening walk in the stroller, etc.

4

You have a consistent routine.

It’s time to get serous about a routine. It should be something you love that you can do without fail every night for the next 3+ years. Boob, bath, books, bed is a classic.

5

Baby is sleeping in the same place each night.

It doesn’t have to be the same place where they nap but it should be consistent. However it’s OK to have them sleep in one place consistently and then move them into a new place where they’ll sleep consistently. So your 5 month old may still be in a co-sleeper attached to your bed but then move into a crib in their room at 9 months.

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You are working towards “put down awake.”

Remember when I said you didn’t need to sweat putting your newborn baby down awake? Well your baby is no longer a newborn, so it’s time to start sweating.

Bedtime for Toddlers and Preschoolers

Your toddler, preschooler, and younger kid should be going to bed between 6:30 PM – 8:00PM, most commonly 7:30PM. Later than that is almost always too late.

Bedtime vs. Sleeptime

Your newborn baby will need to be soothed to sleep. Your older child should be going to sleep on their own. When kids older than 1 are waking up during the night it’s almost always because they aren’t falling to sleep on their own (generally because parents stay and cuddle until they fall asleep and then sneak out). This results in the same problem of night waking that babies have. As delightful as cuddling with your children is, you need to leave before they are totally asleep.

Additionally I want to be clear that we are talking about BEDTIME. This is the time you put your child to bed. The only rule is that they stay in bed. You can’t make an older child sleep (nor can you make them eat or poop FYI). This is why we don’t call it SLEEPTIME. As a parent your job is to give them an age-appropriate bedtime, a soothing consistent bedtime routine, establish the limits (primarily that they stay in bed), and then leave. What they do at that point is up to them.

Does that mean it’s OK for your 2 YO to sit in their bed awake and talking to themselves for 45 minutes? It sure does! If your kid is chronically up for 1+ hours it could mean that bedtime is too early. However I hesitate to suggest this because it is almost NEVER the case (most bedtimes are too late). You can test this theory by temporarily pushing bedtime back – does your child still spend an hour kicking around in there or do they fall asleep quickly? If the latter then perhaps bedtime was too late. Otherwise it may just be that your child needs extra quiet time to settle down at night.

Is this a form of torture? No it isn’t! Learning to entertain themselves, care for their bodies, or (*gasp*) spend a moment of the day without constant stimulation is actually really healthy! As adults, what do you do when you can’t fall asleep? You lie there and think quiet thoughts until you DO fall asleep. Your child is learning to do this too.

Bedtime Sucks?

spacer Once your child is no longer a newborn baby bedtime should be your favorite time of day. LITERALLY. If you and/or your child hate/dread bedtime than something isn’t working and it’s time to fix it. Personally I LOVE bedtime. Kids in jammies are the cutest thing ever. Cuddling and reading books is the best thing in the world. And once they are asleep you get to watch (insert: Game of Thrones, Mad Men, New Girl). What’s not to love?

Anybody else have any bedtime thoughts to share?

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    Randi
    October 9, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    My question is how do you know the difference between a nap and bedtime? Our 3 week old sleeps for anywhere between an hour to three hours, regardless of day or night. Our ped says that our LO should be getting 4 hour stretches here in the next couple of weeks, and she’s done it twice at night, but there seems to be no difference between nap/bedtime. We are being good about keeping the room dark and quiet at night, and trying to be somewhat consistent in a routine. Is this just something we wait out? Does bedtime naturally evolve?

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    Averil
    October 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Hello Alexis!

    This site has helped us immensely, and I am sorry that my first post comes from a place of such desperation. My DD is 3 months old today, and we love her more than anything in the world! The trouble is, I feel like we lead a double life. I am lucky enough to be home with her, and during the day she is an absolute angel. She wakes anywhere between 7 and 8:30am. She goes down for her first nap around an hour after that (shortest awake time of the day) and this first nap is about 3 hours. Her next two awake times average 1 hour 30 mins (from up to down) and those naps are around an hour each. Her “last” nap of the day in late afternoon/early evening is only about 30 mins. She has had this schedule during the day for about 3 weeks now, and it is awesome. She goes down fairly easily (needs more soothing as the day goes on), and I am putting her down awake but sleepy for nap #1 and she settles great.
    Now here is the other side of the coin: night time is an absolute nightmare for us. She used to have her ‘witching hour’s between 6pm and 11, where nothing could get her settled. She would, however, go down around 11 and sleep through until 7 or 8. We were still attempting a bedtime routine nearer the 8pm mark to no avail, so we started doing it later so she would learn the association. In the meantime, we put her in her swing and let her hang out. The trouble is, about three weeks ago even this sleep went out the window. She had a little cold, we think her growth spurt, and maybe a wonder week all around the same time. The aftermath of this is that she basically is impossible to settle at night at all and has been for three weeks – and I mean IMPOSSIBLE. We have had nearly two weeks where we’re lucky if she stays down from 3am-6:30am. Other nights she is just up every 20-30 minutes (if she will let us put her in the crib at all). Last night she was awake but happy from 8 until 1:30am, then hysterical from 1:30 until roughly 4am when she finally stayed asleep from sheer exhaustion. We all end up crying ourselves to sleep on nights like that – which are becoming the norm.

    She has been in her crib at night and naps since day 3, we use a fan for white noise, black her windows and help her to sleep with rocking/bouncing and a soother (which we remove before putting her down). She is such a wonderful, happy baby – except at night. Still wonderful; very unhappy. We are at our wits end. Any advice or explanations would be very greatly appreciated.

    Even if you can’t help, thank you for all of the wonderful things you do for other families. You have such a positive impact on people’s lives – thank you.

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      Rosie
      February 2, 2013 at 4:50 am

      How did you get through those nights you described? I am going through the same thing at 3months.

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    Averil
    October 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    I should also mention she is EBF. These crazy nights I do try to nurse her, but she generally is not interested or is too hysterical to eat. It makes me feel terrible that I can’t even soothe her that way. She nurses 5 times a day (flexible 3 hour schedule) until the 7 ish cutoff, then I’ll nurse her one or two more times before 11 based on her cues. She used to go 11pm to morning without waking to eat and could settle herself.

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    Averil
    October 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    So sorry – one more thing (I’m so tired).. We know that she is desperately overtired. We have tried spending all night getting her down and tried letting her call the shots – and everything in between I think. She just fights and fights until all we can do is take turns trying to calm her

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    Averil
    October 13, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    …and we swaddle for naps and bed, which sometimes calms her and sometimes makes her even crazier. That’s it – I swear!

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      StabbyCakes
      February 10, 2013 at 9:18 am

      Hope you’ve gotten through this by now (it’s been a few months since you posted this) but for anyone reading it and having the same problem check the usual suspects:

      Lights out! Turning the lights off and distracting noises like TV or radio a little while BEFORE you want to go to bed can help baby settle down. Or vice versa, leave a radio on perhaps on a classics music station. Babies love Beethoven!

      Also, when you hold baby at night try to yawn, slow your breathing, and even fake your eyes closed a bit.

      Babies will instinctively mimic mom’s breathing while being held to mom’s chest and slowing YOUR breathing down will force baby to do so, and relax them.

      If they are screaming bloody murder at night you may have a physical problem. Gas tends to build up in the belly and some babies have a real problem being set down with a belly full of gas. Do night time excersizes to help them relieve it. Bycicle the legs, then knees to the chest a few times will probably push a bit of this out. When they feel better they will be less cranky on their backs.

      Something warm on their tummy can help loads too- a warm bottle, heated rice bag (not too hot!), or they sell potpurri bags with lavender and chammomile especially to soothe and relax a baby’s tummy for bedtime. Called Happy Tummi- we use this just to get our LO to relax for bed. It’s comfortable and the warm herb smells make him sleepy!

      Still no relief? It could be reflux. All babies have an open tummy and their last meal can splash up into their throat. If mommy has a spicy diet (spicy, sugary, sometimes even TOO natural) it can upset baby. Keep them upright in a carseat or swing and if that is the only thing that stops your baby from crying- you may want to speak with your doctor about reflux relief methods.

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    Michaela
    October 18, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Thanks so much for everything – all of your previous comments and PP are so informative.

    You mention (somewhere) that the period before bedtime, babies can be awake a bit longer than “normal.” How much longer?

    Also, baby will NOT be soothed by daddy. I don’t know what to do. It’s very frustrating (and sad) for both of us. For example, she wakes up about 45 minutes – 1 hour after going to bed. (that’s a whole other question I guess – should we put her in the swing to see if it helps get her through that first sleep cycle? She sleeps 3-4 hours after that first wake up. We nurse her, and then she goes right back down.) But anyway, if I am not home and my husband has to go in and give her the bottle, she cries. Last night, she cried with him soothing her for 2 hours. Is it a matter of consistency? He works all day, and so I am the one putting her down. Should I have him put her to sleep every night so that she is able to be soothed by him? Part of the issue is also, probably, that he is trying to give her a bottle and for her nighttime feedings she is used to getting the boob. Is that another learned thing? Should we just give her a bottle every night for that first feeding?

    Thank you!!

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    Heather
    October 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    My 4 month old goes to bed around 5:30, which everyone tells me is too early. She is rubbing her eyes and getting fussy by 5:00, so we start our routine and by the time I put her down, she generally fusses very little before she falls asleep. Then, I feed her around 9 before I go to bed. She wakes up around 12 and 4 to nurse. I am hoping for the day she drops one of those feedings, so I can get some much needed rest.

    Does anyone else have infants that go to bed super early on a consistent basis?

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      Paige
      January 31, 2013 at 12:17 pm

      OMG! Finally I have found somebody with this schedule lol! Everybody says it’s too early too so I’ve been pushing his bed time back by forcing a nap around 4pm and then bed by 630/7. He’s 4.5 months now and pushing it off is working but evenings are rough cause he is up no more than 1 hour/ 1 hour 15 mins and then naps for an hour. So he’s up/down all day long but once 230/3 comes he’s up till bed and it’s a battle to get him to nap at 4ish so his bed time is later but last night I got him down at 445 for a nap and had to wake him up at 645 to start bed time routine. He’s great onces he down…wakes up twice during the night(5-6) hours and then up at 630/7am literally 12 hours exactly. I hope this all makes sense lol but idk if i’m doing this whole nap/bedtime thing right.
      Ps he’s been a tummy sleeper since 2.5 months…yeah yeah I know SIDS but he’s had amazing neck control since 2 months old and he sleeps amazing that way and only that way and nobody has exploded in my household yet lol. What can I say I’m an 80s baby spacer

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        Heather
        January 31, 2013 at 12:23 pm

        Rylie is now 8 months old, and she is still going to bed super early. Try as I might, I was never able to get her to stay up much past 6. So, we are going to try an early evening nap to see how that goes. I think some babies just want to go to bed early, no matter what you try. Good luck with your little one!

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          Anna
          February 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm

          Caleb is 6 months old (today!) and since about 3.5 months old he has had a super early bedtime as well. We aim for 6pm, but often it as early as 5:30 or even 5:15. I have TRIED to force a late afternoon nap, but anything after about 3 pm is just lots of crying and never settles into sleep. (Also, Weisbluth recommends no naps after 3pm for babies this age–as best I can remember anyway, which makes me question myself anytime I try to force it.) I was delighted to find this website 2-3 months ago when we were entering the 4 month old nightmare, and was just back today to get myself caught up for the next few months.

          How early is your morning wake up? We usually hear from Caleb sometime around 5:30… he’ll eat and go back to sleep for another hour or so, but I’d really love to cut this (and any other nighttime feeding) out soon. [I think he's starting to develop object permanence, and I don't want nighttime waking to = mommy and boob for much longer.] I’m wondering if I try to slowly push bedtime to 6:30 or 7, will we still get 12ish hours?

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