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A Review of The Primal Professional Barefoot Dress Shoes

Submitted by gvanpeski on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 12:14
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Through Damien Tougas at ToeSalad, my path crossed with that of Mountain Evan Chang, the entrepreneur behind The Primal Professional, a minimal dress shoe. It immediately struck me as a clever idea: a dress shoe that would pass muster for business wear with suits, yet be true to barefoot principles. Since Mountain happens to live in the San Diego area, he stopped by on his way out of town recently and (after much discussion on ultralight backpacking), dropped off a pair of size 12 shoes for me to try out. These don't have the cosmetic heel added, but were otherwise a finished pair of shoes.

While I run exclusively in Vibram five fingers (Spyridon), hike in zero-drop barefoot style Altras, and spend leisure time in a pair of Stem Origins (now Lemming/Lems), my feet spend the majority of their time, at least half of every weekday, cooped up in traditional business shoes. I work in an environment where I am in suits and wingtips for 12 – 16 hours a day, every day. I don't work on Wall Street, so I'm not wearing bespoke John Lobb shoes with an $8,000 Anderson & Sheppard suit. My shirts and suits are custom, but my tailor drives down from Los Angeles instead of flying in from Venice. I have worn a number of brands of wingtips over the years, but am currently wearing Johnston & Murphys. I have several pairs, so they can rest with shoetrees in them between wearings, and I never have to wear the same pair on consecutive days. I buy quality in business clothing, which pays off because it lasts longer.

I was eager to see how the Primal Professionals stacked up against my regular wing tips, both in looks and in comfort. I was initially concerned that due to the lack of heel, my trouser legs would drag on the floor.

Look

As you can see from the pictures, the PriPros are quite handsome and professional-looking shoes. The workmanship and finish are excellent. The toe box is obviously wider than in traditional shoes, and it is noticeable in the shoes, but the overall result is not strange-looking. Wearing them in a work environment, I never got a single comment that anyone noticed them, even though the pair provided didn't have the cosmetic heel added.

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Comparison of Primal Professionals on the left, Johnston & Murphys on the right.

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Comparison of trouser floor clearance; PriPro on left, J&M on right.

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Comparison of trouser break; PriPro on left, J&M on right.

As the comparison photos show, my trouser break is different wearing the PriPro than the J&Ms. With the younger, hipper set (I'm 54), wearing skinnier pants, this would not be an issue. Even for me, I find it an acceptable trade off. While my J&Ms have more extensive detailing, I find the PriPros perfectly acceptable as a business shoe. I did find, at least during this initial trial period, when I had a particularly ‘big' meeting, I would sometimes choose my J&Ms for their slightly fancier look.

Due to their shape, the PriPro shoes are slightly shorter overall than traditional shoes, which could be helpful for people with large feet. While it is not a consideration for me at 6'4”, I did notice being slightly shorter in the PriPro shoes due to the lack of a heel.

Comfort/Fit

I wear a size 12 in my Johnston & Murphy wing tips, with thin dress socks. Typically for the trail runners I use for hiking, I go up half a size. The Primal Professionals provided were in a size 12. My first impression of the PriPro shoes was that they fit quite loosely. It was somewhat disconcerting at first, as it felt like my feet were slipping back and forth in the shoe. Because I spend so much time in traditional business shoes, I don't use any toe spacers, and my toes don't have time to assume a more natural configuration. With wider feet, the PriPros might fit a little more snugly. The funny thing was, after the first week, I came to love the feel of the looser shoes! It was like I was wearing slippers, but nobody knew it. I found myself reaching for the PriPros more and more, and they became my favorite shoe for a long day at the office. My feet didn't feel as sweaty at the end of the day. I'm not attuned enough to notice any difference in posture, and am not plagued by any pains that might have been eliminated by the shoes and resulting posture shifts. They are just fun to wear, and are my most comfortable dress shoe. They make me lighter on my feet, and make me feel, and this will sound corny, like I'm a skilled hunter, stalking prey in the halls, just because they are so quiet and stealthy.

Conclusion

I like these shoes a lot, as they allow my feet the luxury of barefoot-compatible shoes covering the last piece of my life for which I had not yet found a suitable solution. For someone who either has to spend significant time in a business setting where professional looks is still important, or for someone who just wants a dressy solution for occasional use, and can afford to buy a nice pair of shoes to maintain a barefoot configuration, the Primal Professionals deserve serious consideration. The Primal Professional's first production run has started and is projected to finish April 12th, plus a week or two for distribution. Save $20-$40 (equivalent to at least a 6.25% annualized return) on pre-orders before ship date at theprimalprofessional.com.


About the Author

Glen Van Peski is an Engineering Manager for the City of Carlsbad, a regular runner of marathons and half-marathons, an avid backpacker, a speaker and writer on ultralight backpacking, an instructor/guide with Wilderness Outings, and Founder/Chairman of Gossamer Gear, a leading cottage manufacturer of lightweight backpacking gear.

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A follow-up email exchange after the review

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:08.

Wanted to share a follow-up email exchange I had with Glen after the review:

"Hey Glen, I was wondering if I could pick up the size 12 sample for another reviewer? That is, if you're not too attached to the most comfortable dress shoes ever =)" -Mountain

"Sure. It was actually on my list to contact you about getting them back to you. When do you want to get them, or do you want me to mail them back? By the way, they ARE my favorite shoes, I'm very attached to them...I think the shoes may be ruining my feet for the wingtips. I put my feet in my old shoes this morning and my toes felt compressed." -Glen

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Comparison?

Submitted by HeadDoc on Mon, 02/04/2013 - 19:53.

Great review! I would love to see a review comparing these with the black Vivobarefoot Ra (my go-to choice for business-wear so far).

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This review offers a photo

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:05.

This review offers a photo comparison at the bottom minimalistrunningshoes.org/sneak-peek-primal-professional Let me know what you think.

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Note on wingtips vs. captoes.

Submitted by Jeremy on Fri, 02/08/2013 - 13:42.

Wingtips are a less formal shoe than a captoe. Black wingtips are actually a stylistic aberration, black conferring formality, whereas the wingtip/brogue treatment conveys informality.

All that say - you're better off all the way around in the PriPro!

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We are planning a mid-brown

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:08.

We are planning a mid-brown wingtip for our next model, and maybe a chocolate single monkstrap. What do you think?

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+1 on the Vivobarefoot Ra

Submitted by Michael on Fri, 02/08/2013 - 19:56.

The Ra stands out a little more as being distinct from a traditional wing tip, but man do they feel nice on your feet.

I am curious to compare with the PriPros

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Sure wish they hadn't added the heel

Submitted by Paul on Sat, 02/09/2013 - 17:36.

Big bummer, imho, that they decided to add the heel. Even though it looks to be minimal, it's still a heeled shoe. And with the ever-so-slightly wider toebox (compared to the traditional pointy dress shoe) I'm just not drawn to these. I love the idea of a more formal shoe than the Ra, but (again, imho) I just don't buy that they must have heels and a slim toebox. I hope this company will consider being more daring with a second incarnation of the PriPro, assuming they have some level of success with the first.

Paul

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The heel isn't a real heel,

Submitted by damien on Sat, 02/09/2013 - 19:19.

The heel isn't a real heel, it is a fake heel - an optical illusion on the outside of the shoe to make it look "normal" next to other dress shoes. Inside, there is no heel, they are completely flat and relatively thin soled.

Damien Tougas
www.outsideways.com
www.toesalad.com

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say whaa?

Submitted by pawl on Sat, 02/09/2013 - 22:12.

Oh, I think I understand. But really, talk about bowing to fashion pressures. If we really believe that a level shoe is a good thing, why "fake" a heal?

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because heels look good. they

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 01:36.

because heels look good. they look "good" because it looks like you're NOT wearing slippers. slippers would have been what poor people would wear. perception = power. fashion tries to increase personal power by modifying perception. if the pri-pro shoes look very fashionable, but are also highly functional, then they would be the way of the future. i am concerned with how the sole holds up with use though. being all black like that doesnt seem all that good. does it mark floors?

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No offense meant, but while I

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 01:53.

No offense meant, but while I don't deny the [relative] truth of what you write, it's based on cliches re power, fashion, heels, etc. Maybe the most powerful are those who can run the greatest distance or the longest time.

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As much as I admire, advocate

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:45.

As much as I admire, advocate for, and train the development of actual physical power, I realize it pales in comparison to what you can accomplish with perceived power. Perceived power has been important since the dawn of man (think war paint). So in a way, I guess it could be said that suiting up and lacing up is rather Paleo...

In our Information Age, perceived power is more important than ever:

"Research conducted in Texas, for instance,arranged for a thirty-one-year-old man to violate the law by crossing the street against the traffic light on a variety of occasions. In half of the cases, he was dressed in a freshly pressed business suit and tie; on the other occasions, he wore a work shirt and trousers. The researchers watched from a distance and counted the number of pedestrians waiting at the corner who followed the man across the street. Like the children of Hamelin who crowded after the Pied Piper, three and a half times as many people swept into traffic behind the suited jaywalker. In this case, though, the magic came not from his pipe but his pinstripes." Cialdini, Robert B. (2009-05-28). Influence (Kindle Locations 3649-3654)

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Best Regards,

Mountain Evan Chang | about.me/mtnevan
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It does not mark floors. The

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:40.

It does not mark floors. The polyurethane is quite dense. It is also rated non-slip for restaurant and postal work. Did I mention they could be resoled? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=426957827374134

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I wouldn't describe the

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:58.

I wouldn't describe the toebox as "ever-so-slightly wider." Because they are wider where they most need to be, they feel very wide, and without looking like it. See here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=408163589253558

In Glen's words: "My first impression of the PriPro shoes was that they fit quite loosely. It was somewhat disconcerting at first, as it felt like my feet were slipping back and forth in the shoe...The funny thing was, after the first week, I came to love the feel of the looser shoes! It was like I was wearing slippers, but nobody knew it."

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Best Regards,

Mountain Evan Chang | about.me/mtnevan
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Heels are not a fashion statement...

Submitted by Rat on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 14:43.

These shoe are designed to fill a particular niche; barefoot dress shoes. For me, even though my company dress code is business casual, five fingers and minimalist 'looking' shoes are not allowed. The Primal Professional will allow me to wear a minimalist, barefoot shoe while also adhering to my company dress code. It has nothing to do with fashion, power image or changing the way people think/act; it is about keeping my job AND being able to wear a shoe that both fits the company 'profile' and makes my feet happy.

Again, there is no heel or slim toe box, these are design forms that only give the impression; the reality is a flat sole and plenty of room for toe flexing/spreading.

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Heels (let's not be)

Submitted by pawl on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 15:39.

Are you seriously saying that your company's dress code requires that men wear heels? Even if the shoe is a dress shoe? "Dress shoe" btw, does NOT mean "heeled shoe" by any definition I can find. Assuming the two terms are synonymous is imho giving in to cliché, at least as it applies to men's dress shoes (see wiki article below).

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dress_shoe)

We're on the vanguard of rethinking heeled shoes; why not gently question the status quo? I question whether a fake heel is not so much "needed to keep one's job" as it is bowing to...yes...fashion.

Hey, but I'm just one consumer. My [lone] opinion is that the fake heel is silly. Were it not there I'd be more inclined toward buying these otherwise quite elegant shoes.

Pawl

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I understand where you're

Submitted by Mountain Evan Chang on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 18:53.

I understand where you're coming from. But sometimes, it just isn't a fight you want to get into. Perhaps it's the wrong place, wrong time, where the last thing you want to focus on is appearance. What PriPro does is allow us to pick and choose our battles. You have the freedom to tell a close colleague, "Hey, I just got these shoes, and they're great. My foot/knee/back pain are gone finally" at your discretion. You can also avoid having to talk about your footwear altogether, because nobody will be the wiser that something is different about your shoes.

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Mountain Evan Chang | about.me/mtnevan
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I've been off a bit on how I

Submitted by pawl on Thu, 02/14/2013 - 19:13.

I've been off a bit on how I understood the optical illusion worked. I though that the heel was there and then the forefoot raised [inside] to match the apparent height of the heel. Instead, what I now see from the additional photos is the cutaway in front of what is seen as a heel. I get it, now. I'm actually more interested now—there was something I couldn't wrap my head around re an actual built-up heel with, as I hope I described just now, an internal rise in order to make the footbed flat.

Zer gute, thanks.

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