Claim: Rainwater should always have zero aluminum
Source: 05:20 Francis Mangels: "Should [aluminum] be in the rain? Absolutely not!"
Status: False. Since the Earth's crust is 8% aluminum, and soil varies between 2 and 30% aluminum, then windblown dust from soil and the weathering of rocks (often hundreds of miles away) will naturally contain aluminum. When it rains, the rain clears the skies of dust. Hence aluminum is expected in rainwater in varying, almost random amounts:
Source: A PRELIMINARY STUDY OF THE COMPOSITION OF PRECIPITATION IN S.E. ONTARIO, Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, Vol 4, 1967
The figures for aluminum in rain above are 0.52 to 1.12 ppm, which is 520 to 1120 ppb, mcg/L or ug/L
Claim: "Respiratory Mortality in the continental US has gone from 8th on the list to 3rd in just six years"
Source: 00:09:26 Dane Wiginton:
Status: False. Respiratory Mortality did move from 4th to 3rd, however the rate did not change, this was due to a decrease in the mortality from strokes.
Reference: www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db64.pdf
Factual Errors in "Why In The World Are They Spraying"
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Mick West Administrator Staff Member
Last edited: Nov 20, 2013Mick West, Aug 20, 2012#1- Like x 1
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Mick West Administrator Staff Member
I'd like to make this thread a one-stop shop for verifiably factual errors in WhyWATS, and keep to to the format above with the claim, the time in the film and who said it, and the independently verifiable rebuttal.
Feel free to add more, I will update the top post to include the most blatant and significant errors.
And, of course, please post corrections if I get something wrong, and I'll retract them immediately.Mick West, Aug 20, 2012#2- Like x 2
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Mick West Administrator Staff Member
Some candidates to look at later
The "geoengineering footprint" of Aluminum, Barium, Strontium:
04:29 - Every element showing up in the rain tests are the primary elements named in those [160] geoengineering patents
05:50 - "The primary ingredients in geoengineering are specifically the oxides of metals, including aluminum oxide"
(Also 5:50 continues : "this (aluminum oxide) is devastating to plants")
04:38 - "In as short as five years we see rain levels of Aluminum for example, escalating as much as 50,000%"
05:00 - "The weather patterns are so altered here, in exactly the manner the geoengineers ... diminished rainfall, increase ozone destruction...
05:38 - "Lots of barium and strontium and zero aluminum". (contradiction)
05:48 - "If there was [dust] in our [rain] samples, then we SHOULD get some aluminum in some detectable quantity"
07:20 - "the pHs have changed in this area as much as 10-12 times towards alkaline in 5-6 years"
07:53 - "aluminum hydroxide is what we think it is, plus the barium carbonate, strontium titanate, strontium oxides, barium oxides, probably some aluminum oxides in there, this has apparently driven our acid soils about 20x more alkaline into about 6.8
08:24 - "20% of the suns rays that reached the planet several decades ago are no longer reaching the planet" (false, global dimming has reversed since the 90s)
8:40 - "... trails are exactly what geoengineering patents describe".
10:11 - claim that geoengineer is supposed to cool, but it actually warms. (nonsensical, as that's contrails, not "particulates")
10:20 - conflating geoengineering with weather modification.
13:00 - Dakotas temp record, blue skies almost never, dew almost never, temp records
14:15 - patent "Ice Nucleation for weather modification" - paper shown is "Rocket effluent - Its ice nucleation activity and related properties". Patent might be 3835059 or similar 3899129Mick West, Aug 20, 2012#3 -
solrey Senior Member
A 39-Year Survey of Cloud Changes from Land Stations Worldwide 1971-2009
From the abstract:
Of note is Table 2 on page 29:
All units % / Century DJF MAM JJA SON ANNUAL
Fog -0 -0 -1 -0 -0
Stratus (St) -3 -3 -3 -4 -3
Stratocumulus (Sc) 2 2 2 2 2
Cumulus (Cu) 1 0 1 2 1
Cumulonimbus (Cb) 1 0 0 0 0
Nimbostratus (Ns) -1 -2 -2 -2 -2
Altostratus (As) -2 -2 -1 -2 -2
Altocumulus (Ac) 1 1 0 3 1
High (cirriform) -1 -7 -2 -3 -2
Total cloud cover -3 -7 -4 -4 -4
Clear sky (frequency) 1 4 0 2 2
Sorry about the formatting but notice that the frequency of clear skies over the course of a year has increased with a trend of 2%/century. So much for the claim that clear blue skies are rare today but were the norm in the past.solrey, Aug 20, 2012#4- Like x 3
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Mick West Administrator Staff Member
That's a very useful report. I would suspect though that WhyWATS would claim that their evidence is talking about just over the US (maybe even just over the Western US), and not globally. While they use the term "geoengineering", most of what they talk about in the film is weather modification i.e. more local changes. They really conflate the two terms - but then all along evidence of weather modification (cloud seeding, which nobody denies) has been used as evidence for geoengineering (which is a different thing, and science says is not going on).
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Met Watch Moderator Staff Member
As a resident of North Dakota, I will take a look at those claims and see what I can pull.
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Belfrey Senior Member
It occurred to me that although that 1967 Canadian study is a great example, it would help to other older (pre-90s) sources showing that aluminum is normally found in rainwater. I did some literature searches. It's hard to find much, perhaps in part because Al deposition is not considered all that important in terms of biogeochemistry, and thus often isn't measured in studies that look at rainwater composition.
However, I did find this 1986 paper:
Vermette, S.J., and V.G. Bingham. 1986. Trace Elements in Frobisher Bay Rainwater. Arctic 39(2): 177-179.
Here is the table of results, showing Al measurements ranging from 150 to 1300 parts per billion:
One of the interesting things I've learned in this literature search is that Al, as a primary component of the earth's crust, is commonly used as a reference element in order to determine what proportion of particulates in atmosphere or rainwater samples are from "crustal origin" (i.e. airborne dust from the earth's surface), versus pollution from other sources.
An important paper along these lines (cited in a lot of later papers) appears to be this 1975 paper:
Duce, R.A., G.L. Hoffman, W.H. Zoller. 1975. Atmospheric Trace Metals at Remote Northern and Southern Hemisphere Sites: Pollution or Natural? Science 187(4171): 59-61.
Duce et al. found that Aluminum was the most abundant trace metal found in air samples (ranging from 8 to 370 nanograms per standard cubic meter). They proposed that since it was relatively abundant and well known to be an element originating from the earth's crust, its abundance in the atmosphere could be used to determine the proportion of other elements that came from the earth's crust, versus from other sources such as industrial pollution - which they called the "enrichment factor" (EFcrust):
From that, they calculated enrichment values for the trace metals based on the concentrations (in nanograms per standard cubic meter) of particulates detected in their atmospheric samples:
So, this again provides "pre-chemtrails" evidence that Al from the earth's crust is common as particulate matter in the air. And in fact, this same calculation is used by Vermette and Bingham (1986), using Al as a reference element to determine the "crustal enrichment" factor for other elements in rainwater samples:
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Jay Reynolds Senior Member
The Shasta group has falsely claimed that aluminum wasn't found in the atmosphere by the CARB (California Air Resources Board). This research paper by CARB debunked that claim, and Murphy was informed of the error in his first movie, yet continues to state the same bunk.
see:
https://www.metabunk.org/posts/1244Last edited by a moderator: Nov 20, 2013Jay Reynolds, Aug 23, 2012#8 -
Charlie Primero Active Member
I didn't know this was a movie. Here are the websites:
Geoengineering Watch:www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
Coalition Against Geoengineering: www.coalitionagainstgeoengineering.org
Farm Wars: farmwars.info/?p=8970#more-8970
Truth Media: www.truthmediaproductions.blogspot.com
Here is the movie:
I've only watched the first few minutes, but his video has high production values. It looks expensive.
Usually these leftist environmentalist websites and propaganda videos are funded by giant corporations via money funneled through a 503(c) non-profit foundation.
Does anyone know which corporations are funding this one?Charlie Primero, Aug 24, 2012#9 -
Mick West Administrator Staff Member
It's funded via donations. It looks expensive because he's got a volunteer professional filmmaker, Barry Kolsky, to do all the technical stuff.
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