- Author:
- Paul Boag
- Date:
- Thu 18 Oct 12
- Season:
- 4: Awesome apps, terrific tools
- Running Time:
- 60 Minutes
This week we cover a great grid tool, enjoy list nirvana, and learn to listen to our reading list. We also put Coda 2 and Espresso head to head.
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On this week’s show we cover:
- Gridset (9:45)
- Coda 2/Espresso (19:21)
- Trello (37:13)
- SoundGecko (46:54)
Paul Boag:
I’ve come to a realization…
Marcus Lillington:
What’s that, Paul?
Paul Boag:
Well, the realization I’ve come to is that every week I say, hello and welcome to Boagworld.com, et cetera, but actually that’s in the intro music.
Marcus Lillington:
Yes.
Paul Boag:
So, why do we say it twice?
Marcus Lillington:
Oh, no, no, it’s not in the music. No, no, no.
Paul Boag:
It is. You’ve got a little talky bit that says hello and welcome to…
Marcus Lillington:
No that’s long gone. It’s edited down to about 30 seconds, the intro music.
Paul Boag:
I am sure it’s in there.
Marcus Lillington:
No, it’s not.
Paul Boag:
Okay, well, in that case, hello and welcome to Boagworld.com, the podcast for all those involved in designing, developing, and running websites on a daily basis. My name is Paul Boag:.
Marcus Lillington:
My name is Marcus.
Leigh Howells
And my name is Leigh.
Marcus Lillington:
Hello, Leigh.
Paul Boag:
Leigh’s with us.
Leigh Howells
Hang on, but it’s now about – it’s a show about looking at apps, so surely that needs to change.
Paul Boag:
No.
Leigh Howells
For all those who want to look at apps.
Paul Boag:
No, for those who design, develop, and run websites. All the apps we talk about are web design related, we haven’t stopped doing web design.
Leigh Howells
Okay, fair enough.
Paul Boag:
We’re not talking about kind of random apps, you know…
Leigh Howells
For all those who like playing with new toys.
Paul Boag:
Yes.
Marcus Lillington:
That’s what it is –
Paul Boag:
It is. Just a –
Marcus Lillington:
And you’re right, Leigh, but, yeah.
Paul Boag:
So there we are – but anyway that’s only for this season and then next season – well, I don’t know what we could do next season, I was thinking about just doing Q&A season where people can write in questions, I don’t know yet. That’d be interesting. If you’ve got an idea for post-Christmas, let us know at [email protected] and we will certainly consider it. Also, while you’ll be all interactive with this, go along to boagworld.com/apps and suggest some more apps for us to cover.
Marcus Lillington:
Is the Boagworld app itself available now?
Paul Boag:
Yes, it is.
Marcus Lillington:
Right. Go and download that.
Paul Boag:
Yes. Why?
Marcus Lillington:
Why not?
Paul Boag:
Why do they want to?
Marcus Lillington:
Because it has got lots of jokes on it.
Paul Boag:
That’s the only thing that it’s got that the website doesn’t have.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, but it’s offline, isn’t it? You can carry around every word of wisdom you’ve ever written.
Paul Boag:
When you’re not online.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, so if you’re out in the middle of nowhere and you think, oh, what did Paul say?
Paul Boag:
But you can’t listen to the podcast, because that’s…
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
It’s…
Leigh Howells
Well, I don’t think anybody – I don’t think anybody wants a complete archive of everything that you’ve ever said on audio…
Paul Boag:
Well, I don’t want a complete archive of everything I’ve ever said.
Leigh Howells
Gigabytes of data on their phone.
Paul Boag:
No. Absolutely, no. I haven’t written that much. I’ve probably said that much. It’s true.
Marcus Lillington:
It’s free and it’s got jokes on it.
Paul Boag:
I’ll tell you…
Marcus Lillington:
What more do you want?
Paul Boag:
I’ll tell you…
Leigh Howells
It’s pretty as well.
Paul Boag:
The other thing that it has got on which I don’t think a lot of people realize that I do, a lot of people that listen to the podcast, don’t realize the little audio tips I do as well which are very cool, if I do say so myself…
Marcus Lillington:
They’re very cool.
Paul Boag:
I actually think…
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
I think they’re better than podcasts because they don’t have you two on it. So generally…
Marcus Lillington:
I find those a little bit cringy myself, but there you go.
Paul Boag:
What you mean cringy? What do you mean by that?
Leigh Howells
The video ones you mean?
Paul Boag:
No, not the video ones…
Leigh Howells
Where you can actually see him.
Paul Boag:
I hate the video ones.
Leigh Howells
They’re just scary.
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah it’s like, they are scary and the audio ones are cringy.
Paul Boag:
Why are the audio ones cringy?
Marcus Lillington:
They are not cringy.
Paul Boag:
Justify that.
Marcus Lillington:
You said they were cool so I had to come back with a…
Paul Boag:
They are brilliant.
Leigh Howells
Another c word.
Paul Boag:
I want to go back to America. They liked me there.
Marcus Lillington:
Where people like you.
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
I said that so many times from my musical career, I want to go back to America where people like me.
Paul Boag:
And now people don’t like you anywhere, so that’s good…
Marcus Lillington:
Well, there’s probably one or two that still do.
Paul Boag:
Maybe.
Marcus Lillington:
That’s probably literally one or two.
Paul Boag:
One or two.
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
Yes. Middle-aged housewives. Of Orange County, you know whatever.
Marcus Lillington:
Housewives.
Paul Boag:
Housewives.
Marcus Lillington:
I’ve been out mushrooming in Dorset, all last weekend.
Leigh Howells
Oh, yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
It was lovely.
Leigh Howells
With famous people.
Paul Boag:
What you mean famous people?
Leigh Howells
Famous mushroom people.
Marcus Lillington:
John Wright, who’s on…
Paul Boag:
Who’s that?
Marcus Lillington:
Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall’s program. He’s just like this kind of country boy that goes out and does foraging.
Leigh Howells
In the mushroom world, he’s big, okay.
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
In the mushroom world.
Leigh Howells
Yeah. It’s a small world.
Paul Boag:
Well it’s no different to the web design world.
Leigh Howells
He’s probably got a mushroom podcast.
Marcus Lillington:
Mushrooms are probably more popular.
Paul Boag:
Absolutely.
Marcus Lillington:
Anyway, it was great.
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
Dorset’s lovely where Paul lives.
Paul Boag:
Yes, it is. It’s the shire. That’s how you describe.
Leigh Howells
It’s not though, because it hasn’t got a shire on the end…
Marcus Lillington:
It hasn’t got a shire.
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
But that’s when Tolkien was – actually it used to be Dorsetshire.
Leigh Howells
Did it really?
Marcus Lillington:
It still should be – it’s so still should be.
Paul Boag:
And when Tolkien was writing the Shire, it was Dorset that he was referring to.
Marcus Lillington:
So there you go.
Leigh Howells
It definitely wasn’t Cambridgeshire.
Paul Boag:
Actually it’s about as damp as a hole, my house.
Marcus Lillington:
That’s – so is mine.
Paul Boag:
I am looking forward to that. Not the damp house, the new The Hobbit film.
Leigh Howells
I do imagine you living in a hobbit hole.
Paul Boag:
Actually, have you never seen my house? No you haven’t have you. It’s a real let down. It’s 1970s end of terrace with white cladding on the front, like plastic cladding, it’s disgusting.
Leigh Howells
Oh like wood, pretend wood.
Paul Boag:
It’s not even pretending, it’s just – it is quite pitiful the outside of my house.
Leigh Howells
But you don’t have to paint it, so that’s a bonus.
Paul Boag:
No, that’s good. So, yes. But it does get really grimy and you have to clean it, because it’s white which is a really bad idea.
Leigh Howells
It sounds like hard work.
Paul Boag:
Yeah, our whole house is hard work, although not so bad now we’ve chopped down the massive oak tree.
Marcus Lillington:
Fancy living in Dorset…
Paul Boag:
Why we all discussing that?
Marcus Lillington:
…and living in a plastic house.
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
You should be living in a mud house.
Paul Boag:
In a mud house. That’s what I’ve always wanted, a mud house.
Leigh Howells
And it definitely needs to be down a little lane, a windy lane. With a wiggly chimney with smoke rising gently.
Paul Boag:
I couldn’t – yes, I can understand that except there is a pain in the arse, I can just walk straight into town it takes me like two seconds and yet within five minutes I can be walking in meadows and woods…
Leigh Howells
Yeah, I am kind of the same, yeah. It’s good to have both on the doorstep.
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
I’d love to be able to just look out of the bedroom window and just have that wonderful country vista.
Paul Boag:
Yes, I would like that.
Marcus Lillington:
…which I’ve kind of nearly got but not really. I’m next to a great big road.
Paul Boag:
We really have pretty much forgotten we’re recording a podcast right now, aren’t we? I am just very conscious that this is nothing to do with web design.
Marcus Lillington:
Okay, fine. But it was quite nice. I mean, I just had a really nice weekend, in Dorset. I normally take the piss out of you being a Wurzel and I am just saying how nice it is, where you live.
Paul Boag:
It is lovely.
Marcus Lillington:
…for a change. I thought you needed cheering up, Paul, with your poorliness.
Paul Boag:
I am poorly. I’ve got jetlag. My life is just too, too difficult. I do – nobody appreciates how hard I work.
Leigh Howells
No, you’re right.
Paul Boag:
Everybody thinks…
Leigh Howells
Nobody does
Paul Boag:
You all think I just doss around, waltz around the world going to conferences…
Marcus Lillington:
What were your words to me when we met up last night for a curry, it was “I have slept all day”.
Paul Boag:
I had, yes…
Leigh Howells
And then you wonder why you can’t sleep all night.
Paul Boag:
Look, it was a bad day, yesterday, can’t we just leave it as that? And it was very sad last night, wasn’t it?
Marcus Lillington:
It was.
Paul Boag:
We said goodbye to bobscape and cargowire otherwise known as Rob and Craig.
Marcus Lillington:
Yes, use their Twitter names first.
Leigh Howells
Oh that’s what they’re called!
Paul Boag:
I do, with Bob, I have the habit of just calling him bobscape, I don’t know why.
Marcus Lillington:
Fair enough.
Paul Boag:
But, no, that’s really sad, they going over – they going on to develop software.
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
That’s proper stuff, isn’t it?
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah, that’s what Bob says they do. They have nothing to do with mobile.
Paul Boag:
No, they don’t do mobile. They do software development.
Leigh Howells
Yeah. But you’re not going to mention their company name though, are you?
Paul Boag:
No, of course not. We’re not going to give them any free publicity. What do you think, we like them or something? Bastards.
Marcus Lillington:
No good luck to him, that’s what I say. It’s quite interesting that particularly Bob, you can see he’s got that kind of, oh, new company, how exciting, albeit scared, but it’s exciting and we’re just all like yeah…
Paul Boag:
We’re old, bitter and jaded.
Marcus Lillington:
I can remember that feeling.
Paul Boag:
When I was out in Freiburg at Smashing Magazine conference, we were sitting at the back, the speakers waiting to do our thing and there was a quiet room where we could do some work and we got talking and we realized we need to create new podcasts, the grumpy old men of web design. And grumpy old people, because we have Rachel Andrew was there as well and she is grumpy as us. We’ve all reached that age now where we just…
Leigh Howells
Well that’s why I thought this show should have the Last of the Summer Wine music. You know, kind of, old git…
Paul Boag:
Yeah. We’ve got to – we just reach that point in our lives where – these young people today they don’t know they’re born, do they. They don’t – they didn’t live through the browser wars and all that kind of thing.
Leigh Howells
No, they just jumped straight into…
Paul Boag:
They have all these cool apps…
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…that we never had. And that brings us, what a brilliant segue that was, onto our first app of the week.
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah, but new stuff’s not as good as old stuff.
Paul Boag:
No, excuse me, that was my segue …
Marcus Lillington:
I know…
Paul Boag:
You can’t just cut across it.
Marcus Lillington:
I felt the need to ruin it. And that’s…
Gridset
Paul Boag:
I’m not going to say anything else now until we cut to the music. So talking about being grumpy, our first app is a designer app this week and it’s called Gridset. And it’s Gridsetapp.com. The reason I am grumpy, just before I came up here I was trying to get grids working. I thought I had this magical moment where it was like, so I’ve been playing around with LESS and ClearLESS, insert a thingy in the –
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
Link in the show notes, that’s it.
Marcus Lillington:
I prefer the first version.
Paul Boag:
Well, no I need to say the word link otherwise I never find it when I search for it later. And yeah, I thought…
Marcus Lillington:
This is Mark Boulton’s work, isn’t it?
Paul Boag:
Yes, Gridset is, but ClearLESS is from Clearleft, unsurprisingly.
Marcus Lillington:
Sorry, I am reading about the app.
Paul Boag:
Yes. And I am just – it looks so simple when I have been having problems with it which probably is my fault, no doubt not the guys at Clearleft. It’s just – this thing of grids, or making grids easy to produce is such a big thing at the moment and there are so many different options of how to do it. And Gridset is one of them; it’s produced as Marcus just said, by Mark Boulton. And it is quite cool, it’s unlike something like ClearLESS, it’s – you pay for it. But what you get for that is quite a cool set of stuffs. You get like a kind of Photoshop grid. You can basically – you login to the app, you can design and lay out a grid that you want, you can then take away a Photoshop document so that you can go in the Photoshop and you can build up stuff on the grid. You can also overlay a grid using a bit of JavaScript that they give you over an HTML page. And also they provide you with kind of production-ready code to start messing around and producing your grid with it.
So it’s all very cool and very powerful. It also – they allow you to do all kinds of very quiet sophisticated stuff with your grids. So it’s not just a matter of, here’s a 16-column grid or here’s a 12-column grid, you can do all kinds of fancy stuff like having grids of different widths, columns of different widths, and all that kind of stuff which is very nice. So they’ve certainly kind of given you everything you need. And I’ve had a play with it, and it’s really good. You can also use it with something like LESS if you wish to, which means that you don’t necessarily need to have loads of extraneous markup in your HTML anymore which is always the thing that’s put me off of grid systems in the past is the idea that you have to kind of end up with all this extra markup in your HTML.
So it’s pretty impressive, it’s pretty good. I have to say, it feels a little bit overkill for me, because it was interesting – the other aspect to all of this is something that’s coming up called Adobe Reflow, which I’ll put a link in the show notes to that, which is a new design tool that’s kind of really designed for the web, rather than Photoshop which is obviously in for photo manipulation and other stuff. So there’s this great tool coming out, with Adobe Reflow. And I was talking to the guys at Adobe yesterday about this, and one of the things I said to him is, have you checked out Gridset, can, for example, in their grid system – in Adobe Reflow’s grid system, I was asking whether you could have different width columns…
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…and all this kind of stuff. And he said to me, he said, have you ever and do you consider yourself ever really wanting to do that, because we don’t support it at the moment. And I can’t say I ever do really, you just…
Leigh Howells
Yeah, I’ve only just realized that it does let you have different width columns because isn’t that – not in the spirit of having a grid system. It’s not a grid…
Paul Boag:
Well, no, it is – it kind of comes across from print design where you do that kind of thing but I just don’t know whether it’s that useful. I can’t make up my mind.
Leigh Howells
I don’t know.
Marcus Lillington:
So what you’re basically saying rather than having a – I don’t know, a three-sixteenths column or a four-sixteenth column, you can literally change your sixteenths.
Paul Boag:
Yes.
Marcus Lillington:
You can have it sixteenths up to three quarters of the way across and then it can be twelfths or whatever.
Paul Boag:
Yes, you can do all kinds of things, yeah, like that which I don’t know how much I would actually use. So I can’t make up my mind. The moment I am playing with it, as I said I am playing with ClearLESS and I am hoping that I can get that working. And if I can, then why would I want to pay for something like Gridset, what does it really give me beyond one of the free options?
Leigh Howells
I suppose it gives you the – kind of the WYSIWYG editor, doesn’t it? It gives you that, which depending on your technical level might be an easy way into grids rather than just delving around in the code.
Paul Boag:
Yeah, I guess so. And it also gives you I guess the Photoshop…
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…document to go with it and it gives you that overlay and stuff like that. And it’s not very expensive. I can’t remember what the price…
Leigh Howells
$8 or something per grid – well there’s different schemes aren’t there, different payments…
Paul Boag:
Yeah. So you can pay $12 per Gridset which is £8….
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…or $18 per month unlimited usage on as many different things as you want to, so really I imagine most people will just pay the £8 per Gridset which you think in a project £8 is nothing. Is it really?
So it may well be worth getting but I can’t – I don’t know, I can’t quite make up my mind about it. So – but it is worth checking out, go and check it out at Gridsetapp.com, and have a little play around with it and see what you think yourself. You can have a trial, where you can use it and have a go and all the rest of it. So it’s – you need to get in there and give it a go yourself. I’d be interested to see what other people do in terms of grid systems. What do you guys use if you go along to the show notes, Boagworld.com/apps and then select episode five, let me know in the comments because there’s lots of different opinions about this particular thing. And I know Ed likes to roll his own.
Leigh Howells
He certainly does.
Paul Boag:
…which I can understand.
Leigh Howells
Because he understands it, yeah, I can get that.
Paul Boag:
Yeah. That’s the big thing. One of the things I liked about ClearLESS is I could go in, look at it and I got it and I understood it even though I am currently having trouble to get it working.
Leigh Howells
So you don’t understand it?
Paul Boag:
Well, I thought I understood it. But it’s just when we happened to be recording this podcast if we were recording it a couple hours later, I hope that I won’t be going, I don’t understand this and what’s going on. It looks very straightforward where I’m wondering whether some of the other grid systems are a lot more complicated.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, I don’t know. I mean I’ve looked at lots of them, I haven’t actually tried to use any of them in anger but there seem to be so many other things I don’t really know where to start.
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Leigh Howells
I mean there’s probably lots of lots of posts about 10 grid systems which make your life wonderful.
Paul Boag:
Because I mean we talked last week about Twitter Bootstrap, I think that was last week, might be the week before, who knows. And that’s another one that’s got a grid system built into it, you know…
Leigh Howells
Yeah, yeah.
Paul Boag:
And then if use SASS then there is COMPASS, link in the show notes, which has got a grid system built into it as well.
Leigh Howells
I’ve got a thing here.
Paul Boag:
What’s that? What you can do.
Leigh Howells
I’m going to go… [sound effect]
Paul Boag:
What’s that for?
Marcus Lillington:
It’s R2-D2.
Paul Boag:
Why have you just played that?
Leigh Howells
That was like an audio QR code, a link to Gridsetapp using chirp.
Paul Boag:
That’s ridiculous.
Leigh Howells
I love it.
Paul Boag:
That is – So, what do you mean that’s an audio QR code?
Leigh Howells
Yeah, you can either send people pictures or notes or links.
Paul Boag:
So if you happen to have the right application…
Leigh Howells
Yeah, if you got chirp running, it will listen and it will give you the link – me and Ed were sending messages to each other with these little chirpy sounds.
Paul Boag:
I’ve never come across this.
Leigh Howells
I think they sound cool.
Marcus Lillington:
Sounds like R2-D2 to me.
Leigh Howells
It will never take off, will it?
Paul Boag:
I like QR code.
Leigh Howells
It’s fun. I know I’ve actually…
Paul Boag:
How dumb are they?
Leigh Howells
I’ve tried a few times – an audio QR code, oh it doesn’t work. Why doesn’t it work?
Paul Boag:
It’s pointless. You might as well type in the blooming URL, honestly, anyway. So there we go, that is Gridset, check it out, it is worth having a look at and I think it has got a lot of potential. If nothing else, it will get you starting to work seriously with grids and gives them the attention they deserve because they are a massively important part of design process and I think everybody should build their designs on a grid system even if they choose to break that grid system at times. It’s the old thing, isn’t it? About how you need to know how to paint properly before you can start doing Picasso type work and you need a good grid system before you start breaking…
Leigh Howells
Breaking the whole thing and not using it, yeah.
Marcus Lillington:
One small complaint, Mr. Boulton, your site refers to Oxford Brookes University responsive site, and it’s not responsive.
Leigh Howells
Perhaps it’s a new one.
Marcus Lillington:
I’m sure it’s a new one coming up.
Paul Boag:
That’s not the point.
Marcus Lillington:
But the new one – if it’s not there, you can’t go and look at it.
Leigh Howells
It’s planning ahead.
Paul Boag:
Yeah. So there we go, that is Gridset. Let’s move on.
Coda 2 vs Espresso
Okay. So next up, we are talking about developer tools and in particular we are going to compare Coda 2 with Espresso. Now if you’ve got a silly little noise to go with this?
Marcus Lillington:
It’s kind of in the same one, isn’t it?
Leigh Howells
No, no, it’s completely different. [sound effect]
Marcus Lillington:
It’s not. That is not completely different.
Leigh Howells
It is. Can you not tell?
Paul Boag:
Do you remember back in the day where you used to, the radio would play like Spectrum – when we all had Spectrums and everything was on cassette and the radio would occasionally play a load of code over it, which you could record, run on your spectrum and it would play again.
Leigh Howells
I don’t remember that. On the radio.
Paul Boag:
It never worked, it never worked. But that was the principle of it.
Leigh Howells
I saw a site recently that you could actually record a Spectrum loading sound from…
Marcus Lillington:
Leigh if you play that one more time, I’m going to break your phone.
Leigh Howells
That said “hello Paul”.
Paul Boag:
Alright.
Leigh Howells
And as an audio…
Paul Boag:
How – I don’t even know where to begin. So…
Marcus Lillington:
Seeing as we’re talking about developer tools, can I go and get a coffee?
Paul Boag:
No, you cannot have a coffee. You cannot get coffee. You have to say witty things throughout this, you know your job.
Marcus Lillington:
Okay.
Paul Boag:
So Coda 2 versus Espresso, these are the two big kind of coding tools on the Mac and there’s a lot of kind of back and forth about which way to go with this and which tool you should pick out of the two. And I am kind of being me have used both and flick from one to the other.
Leigh Howells
Me too.
Paul Boag:
What’s your impression?
Leigh Howells
My impressions are I still like Dreamweaver. Yes, I’m old school.
Paul Boag:
Well, no, there is nothing wrong with Dreamweaver, I mean, you know, okay, setting aside the WYSIWYG environment.
Leigh Howells
I’ve never used either with anger. I think that’s the problem. I’ve never actually done a proper project…
Paul Boag:
Right.
Leigh Howells
… in either to fully understand. I have always gone into both of them with little projects where something like Dreamweaver was more useful to me where I wanted to click around visually…
Paul Boag:
Yeah.
Leigh Howells
And jump to a bit of code.
Paul Boag:
I always – I was thinking about that because you said earlier that you know you used – effectively you used the preview…
Marcus Lillington:
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…window to jump to a bit of code.
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
But that’s just going to jump into the relevant part in the HTML, right?
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
Well, most of the work you do is in the CSS anyway.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, it depends on what I’m doing.
Paul Boag:
And also something like Coda or Espresso has got a DOM that you can just jump to wherever you want in the DOM.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, I’ve just got this visual way of working, yeah.
Paul Boag:
I tell you what, what Dreamweaver does do which – this is turning to Dreamweaver, Coda and Espresso, what Dreamweaver does do that I like is that it will identify orphaned images and orphaned stuff…
Leigh Howells
Yeah.
Paul Boag:
…that isn’t actually being used on the site because I am terrible for that like I save an image and then I add another one in and then I dump the first one and don’t remove it. So clean up your code which I like, that’s really good.
Leigh Howells
Yeah, yeah.
Paul Boag:
But let’s talk a bit about Coda and Espresso and my kind of feelings about each of these and which ones I like and why I like it, et cetera. They are very similar. I mean they do all the kind of things that you’d expect of these kinds of applications that they all support obviously all the CSS3 features, they’ve all got really good coding environments that support code folding. They support snippets, all of that kind of stuff. Both of them you can – have got a plug-in architectures, so you can support other languages like LESS for example or SASS, you can do stuff with that. Both of them have now got this kind of live styling and updating so as you change something it automatically updates the stuff. Both of them have got really good support for all kinds of the core set of features that you’d expect.
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p>So what’s the difference between the two? Where did they kind of start parting ways? I think Coda 2 has a better search facility than Espresso. So you can do things like put place holders in your search if you’re doing a find and replace which is really good. So you can say essentially I’m just trying to think of an example that you can find every occurrence of a
<
p> tag with a certain class name irrespective of what the content of the
tag is and then you could wrap that content in a strong tag. So it’s like a wildcard kind of thing. Does that makes sense? So that, I think, is a really good thing about Coda that I absolutely love. Coda has also got support for source control which is really good. It’s got GIT built in.
Leigh Howells
Not that you use it!
Paul Boag:
Well, as from today I am…
Leigh Howells
You are now using it.