Elder’s Quorum Movers and Funeral Potatoes

By: Craig - May 01, 2006
I must admit to being a little bit bitter. For three years I was an Elder’s Quorum President under a bishop who felt it was the primary responsibility of the Elder’s quorum to act as the moving company for every Tom, Dick and Harry who moves across the city or the world.Now don’t get me wrong, service is a vital function of the Elder’s quorum, but if you were to look at any one of my shirts, you would have seen the enough footprints to have accounted for the hordes of Genghis Khan.

Let me explain the pattern of service in this one ward in central Oklahoma. Friday night (8 ish), I would receive a call from the Bishop. He would tell me that a family was moving and would I have a group of elders over to “help them move” at 8 the next morning. I would scramble to call every elder and elder age man on my list (which at that time had 108 names on it). Invariably 90% would not answer the phone (isn’t caller ID wonderful?). of the remaining 10% 9% would have plans for the next day. The remaining 1% (me or my councilors) would feel guilted into showing up at 8 the next morning and find out that the family were high priests, and 9 time out of 10 hadn’t even packed. I actually arrived to move the bishop’s daughter and wondered why her washer was so heavy–it had wet clothes in it.

Where are the families? I thought if you needed help you turned to your family first. Where are the home teachers? It was just assumed that elders had nothing better to do than spend all of their Saturday moving people who had the means to move themselves.

Which leads me to funeral potatoes. My mother-in-law is one of those Saints that has had her calling and election made sure. There is an evil tradition of their forefathers in their community that the relief society sisters make an after funeral dinner for anyone that has died. Its not just a small meal for the family after a funeral of a ward member, but its a flat out banquet for any attendee of the funeral of anyone buried in their community, member or not, resident or not. Because she is one of those sisters that never says no, she makes these banquets a couple of times a month for people she has never met. The Bishop just calls and lays on the assignment.

My wife had an ectopic pregnancy a couple of years ago. The tube burst and she had to recover from surgery. The relief society called to arrange meals, cleaning, and childcare during her convalescence. When my wife explained that while she was unable to do some of those things, we had made arrangements for the kids, I could cook and clean, and we really didn’t need any additional help. My wife was then subjected to a lecture about how we were depriving people of an opportunity to serve. The problem was, we really didn’t need the help. My wife was so guilted that she acquiesced to a week of meals. We were then the recipients of many fine meals (and some not so fine), that we could not eat all of. I know some of those families struggled.

The problem I have is that many wards contain enablers. Not enough people say no because it is a priesthood leader that is doing the asking. There are evil traditions that elders move things and relief societies make food. But that is NOT the program of the church! When we moved, My wife and 2 children packed up everything we owned and left (it took us a day and we probably needed the help, but I refused to ask). Because of my bad experiences, I deprived members and my family of a service opportunity. But I thought it was better that than perpetuating the tradition.

Comments (14)

14 Comments

    1. My general preference has been that, if I could do it myself, I will do it myself. If I need help, I will ask for help. However, even when I do ask for help (as I did with our last move), I do as much myself as possible.

      I vastly underestimated the scope of our last move, and appreciated the help the members of the church gave. My wife had a medical procedure on her back, so she could not do much to help pack, and some of the Relief Society came and helped pack up the kitchen. For the move itself, I knew I needed help with the couches and bookcases, but found I needed much more help than that. We had three storage units to put our stuff in, and I had mostly filled one of them and started a second before the day of the move. I had donuts & breakfast burritos, and milk, juice, and water for the people who showed up.

      I lived in a ward in Las Vegas that had a checklist for people before we would help them. Because of that, when I was ten minutes late for the move, I nearly missed it.

      The Relief Society did not have the same sense of obligation for food. My wife had several operations before the move, and nobody offered a meal. That was for sickness, but funerals were a different story. It is like they had funeral potatoes and ham in storage, ready to put on a spread with only a few hours’ notice. My wife never heard a complaint about the funerals–the sisters saw it as a matter of pride how well they could put a funeral meal together.

      It all depends on where you are from, I guess.

      Comment by CS Eric — 5/1/2006 @ 12:37 pm

    2. during my mission to southern california i was once assigned to a ward where the elder’s quorum president would go and “inspect” the home of the people who were moving the night before people were expected to come and help. if they weren’t packed, he called off the help. he told me that he was more than willing to get people to help load a truck but that this was all they should be doing. further, he said that if the packing is done ahead of time, the whole ordeal would take 2 hours at most. at the time, i thought it was pretty harsh. now i’m the elder’s quorum president and my wife is pregnant and i’m working full time and going to school and i completely understand the situation. needless to say, nobody in the elder’s quorum has done any packing lately (except for the folks that were moving, of course).

      Comment by paul — 5/1/2006 @ 12:50 pm

    3. There is an evil tradition of their forefathers in their community that the relief society sisters make an after funeral dinner for anyone that has died.

      I laughed out load. I can see the offering of food to the dead would be an evil tradition. Much like the egyptians leaving food in the tombs for the afterlife.

      I think it would be great for the elders to prepare meals. We lived in a ward that had a three meal policy. You get three meels for a new baby. It was a ward with a lot of students, so I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. My thing was when we declined the offer, there was a tremendous amount of resistance. The reality is that we didn’t need the food. I am an able cook and we had family around. Give those three meals to a family that still is in need after their three have been spent.

      That is the problem I see. People feel spent and so when there is a moment of true need, the desire is found wanting.

      Comment by J. Stapley — 5/1/2006 @ 1:31 pm

    4. Having just been released as EQ pres after 3 years of service, I consider myself fortunate to have worked with our bishop. He had also been the EQ pres in the ward and understood all of the pressures and responsibilities of the position. He would generally only ask the EQ to help move someone if the family truly needed it. And he would try to give me at least several days’ notice, if not a week or more. On those rare occasions that we had very short notice, I made sure that the family understood that I would do the best I could to round up help, but I couldn’t guarantee anything on such short notice. If a family wasn’t completely packed and ready to go when we showed up for a move, we would help move what we could (furniture, etc.) and leave the rest up to the family.

      While helping people move may have been the least favorite part of my job as EQ pres, I did have the chance to witness a minor miracle associated with an emergency move. The back story is complex, but basically a husband and wife had been separated and the wife had been living in an apartment in our ward, but neither was particularly active. Their lives were all sorts of messed up, but they decided to patch things up and he was moving into her apartment. They had been slowly moving things by themselves over the course of about a month. About 2 days before the end of the month, the landlord to the old place went back on an agreement and told them that everything had to be out of the place by the end of the month or he was going to charge them an extra month’s rent, plus some other (extortionary) charges, etc. In a panic, they turned to the bishop, who turned to me. We rounded up several people and trucks and showed up Saturday morning (last day of the month) to help. They had things pretty well organized and most things were ready to go. We finished moving the organized stuff by lunchtime and the family assured us that they could handle the rest of the items themselves and sent us on our way. Well, at about 4:30 or so I got a call from the wife, who was hysterical. The husband had stopped to rest for lunch and had become quite ill (probably heat exhaustion, but the fact that he had MS probably didn’t help either) and was unable to finish the move. She had been caring for him all afternoon in the hopes that he would recover enough to finish, but by this time it was apparent that it was not going to happen. She was quite helpless, but I assured her that I would take care of it. I felt pretty helpless myself, where was I going to find anyone to help finish this move on a Saturday evening with no notice. I talked to my brother-in-law, Josh (who lives in my ward), to see if he could help and, out of compassion, we resolved to see the project through, even if it took us all night.

      Then inspiration struck. Josh remembered that his younger brother, who had recently returned from a mission, was getting together that night with some other recently-returned missionary friends. So I called them and asked if they wanted to turn their get-together into a service project and they agreed. Within half an hour, out of nowhere, the Lord suddenly provided 6 able-bodied young men to take care of this family. Finishing up the move was fairly easy, and we were done in about 2 hours. Immediately following, the family started to make the necessary changes in their lives and began coming back to church. They moved out of the ward about 18 months later, but they had returned to full activity in the church and last I heard they had made plans to be sealed in the temple. You never know what means the Lord may use to touch people’s lives and to get them to turn around.

      Comment by Capt. Obsidian — 5/1/2006 @ 2:21 pm

    5. Captain,

      That is just the sort of thing that elder’s quorums are for…sadly that is not what they are used for much of the time.

      J- I guess I should have worded that a little better. On second review it does sound as if they were preparing hte food for the dearly departed. Oddly enough, that WAS a common practice on my mission in Japan. Though not by the relief society.

      Comment by Craig — 5/1/2006 @ 2:57 pm

    6. I was an Elders Quorum President too. One of the evil traditions that got started in our ward is having the Elder’s Quorum re-shingle your roof. I’m not kidding. We helped one family that needed it and then the flood gates opened up. It made me very nervous – having our Elders up on peoples roofs. What if someone fell? What if the roof leaked badly when we were done? Yikes!

      Comment by Eric — 5/1/2006 @ 4:11 pm

    7. It’s a wonder that more Elders don’t get seriously hurt while moving large pieces of furniture, pianos, etc. I say move what you can reasonably do and pay professional movers to take care of the heavy stuff.

      Comment by Justin — 5/1/2006 @ 5:14 pm

    8. I’ve sworn to my wife that we’re never moving again until we can afford to pay people to do whatever we cannot do for ourselves. I view it as part of being self-sufficient. I think I’ve been asked to move one too many big screen TVs. It is just hard to imagine the people with so many possessions can really need help moving.

      Comment by Bradley Ross — 5/1/2006 @ 6:06 pm

    9. Eric,

      Our EQ also helped a widow re-shingle a shed. She supplied the shingles and we supplied the labor. Before we even started I told her that the labor was worth exactly what she was paying for it and since she was relying on the Lord for labor, she would also have to rely on the Lord for a guarantee against leaking.

      Comment by Capt. Obsidian — 5/2/2006 @ 9:47 am

    10. Bradley:

      I’m with you on the move philosophy– sell the big screen if you need help and use the proceeds to hire a real mover. It’s amazing to me that someone living in a 2500 sq.ft. home with thousands of dollars worth of electronic devices and other niceties would even have the gall to ask the EQ to participate. Spend a little less on the home and what fills it and save some money for a rainy day– like when one needs to move.

      Comment by paul mortensen — 5/2/2006 @ 11:08 am

    11. Haha…you know I have always hated the ‘EQ as movers’ tradition. In the four years that we’ve been married, my husband and I have moved 6 times. It was never easy. Not remotly, and 3 of the times we were moving from a 3rd floor walk-up to another 3rd floor walk-up. We have NEVER asked for help! We have friends and family for that. This last time, we were moving to the same city as my husbands family. We used those u-pack containers and so could use a week or so to unpack them once they got to our new apartment. The problem was, my husband started his new job the day we arrived in town, and we had to give the containers back by saturday. I did what I could carry, but, the furniture and most of the boxes were way beyond my ability. So, we asked my husbands family (dad and 17 year brother) to help us one evening after work to knock the rest of it out. They refused! They told us to find out what ward we were in and have the EQ come help us! I was horrified, I would never ever in a million years have the audacity to call up strangers and ask them to help me move. Finally his family grudingly came and helped us, thank goodness.
      We have however decided that we are not moving for a long time, and that we wil hire movers next time!

      Comment by Veritas — 5/2/2006 @ 12:05 pm

    12. I cant believe that family would say no in favor of the E.Q.

      That reminds me of a mother who, when asked to take care of her uncooperative daughter during primary, said “No, That your responsibility now. This is MY time.”

      Comment by Craig — 5/2/2006 @ 12:51 pm

    13. I mentioned to our Stake President that I was glad to be a High Priest, because I will never have to be an EQP. Not so, he gibly told me. A high Priest may still serve as an EQP…Curses. Next to nursery leader in our ward (we have three nurseries), it has to be the most thankless job in the Church. I proppose that for every successful move, you can wipe one major transgression off the board.

      Comment by Chris S — 5/2/2006 @ 1:38 pm

    14. The solution to the EQ moving requirement could be to do it the way the ward we lived in in St George did it when we had a short-notice move: come at your convenience.

      We asked for help as soon as we knew the date for the move, and were told that it was not a convenient day. How little we knew. On the date of the move, it was just us and family (I was the only male who was both younger than 65 and older than 7, so we really did need help for the bigger stuff). We had been living in a condo next to my wife’s parents. Her dad called two weeks later, laughing. It seems the elders’ quorum had shown up that morning, ready to help with the move, and were a little offended that they had gotten up that early on a Saturday morning for nothing.

      Yes, I will ask for help, but not for what I can do, and not for what professionals should do. The piano always gets packed and unpacked by professionals. It takes about 20 minutes, and they charge by the hour, but neither the piano nor the backs of the elders get broken.

      Comment by CS Eric — 5/2/2006 @ 1:58 pm

    15. My wife and I have moved roughly 6 times in the 7 years we have been married. We have always asked family to help. Once we asked the Relief Society to help clean the apartment after we vacated it. I think only one woman showed up. She was a great help though.

      Veritas, that is quite possibly one of the most repulsive stories I have heard. It doesn’t suprise me though. What good is family if they can’t be there for you?

      Comment by Ian M. Cook — 5/2/2006 @ 2:05 pm

    16. Wow, this is a sore spot for me. I am a single woman who has moved many times. I have never, not even once, asked the EQ to help me move or asked them for help of any kind.

      I have never asked the RS for help either. If the need ever arose, I would probably refuse their offer of meals. I have been in many of my LDS ward member’s homes and can’t stomach the thought of eating anything they might want to cook spacer

      I think people totally take advantage of the issue of service in our church. It’s not service if the people giving it are resentful and it’s not service if the people asking are fully capable of doing it themselves.

      Comment by Indi — 5/2/2006 @ 2:28 pm

    17. When we moved in January, I moved virtually everything myself in our minivan over the space of a week. My sister-in-law was over one evening and she helped out with one of the trips. The last day, I had one person help me with a single truckload for things that were too large (couch, armoire, queen-sized bed, love seat) too fit in my van. Even then, he had to leave briefly and I had unloaded everything on my own by the time he got back. Mary, of course, did virtually all the packing and cleaning (her mum helped out with cleaning one day).

      As our current elders quorum president, I have orchestrated one move. It was for a less active family that was poor and the wife was confined to a wheelchair. For everyone else who has asked me for help with their move, I simply tell them I will give them a few minutes at the beginning of elders quorum for them to get volunteers. If they phone me, I ask them who they have coming already.

      Actually, the week after I called, the previous elders quorum president phoned me up the day he was moving and asked me to organise some people to help him move. I more or less told him to do it himself.

      I learned my lesson the first around; I’m not being a moving company the second time around.

      Comment by Kim Siever — 5/2/2006 @ 2:39 pm

    18. Chris S,

      When the Regina Saskatchewan Stake was created from the Saskatoon Saskatchewan Stake, one of the counsellors from the former stake presidency was called to be elders quorum president in his ward.

      Comment by Kim Siever — 5/2/2006 @ 2:41 pm

    19. My brother is in the military, so all of his wards have had lots of other people in the military. The military will move your stuff when they transfer you. However, if you do it yourself, the military pays you a significant chunk of change for saving them the money. Military families would use the EQP, then pocket the money the military gave them. Finally, the bishop of one military ward simply said they would not help a military family move, period. They could do it themselves, or let the military movers do it, but the number of people expecting the EQ to move them so the family could get the money got to be overwhelming. Smart bishop.

      Comment by Melinda — 5/2/2006 @ 7:49 pm

    20. Indi wins the phrase of the month:

      “It’s not service if the people asking are fully capable of doing it themselves.”

      Honorable mention goes to Kim:

      “For everyone else who has asked me for help with their move, I simply tell them I will give them a few minutes at the beginning of elders quorum for them to get volunteers.”

      Comment by ed — 5/2/2006 @ 10:54 pm

    21. Those are great ways to handle it, but the problem with many situations are that it is a priesthood leader making the assignment.

      I have served in two Bishoprics since then, and I try to emphasize the real role of the EQ and relief society every chance I get.

      Comment by Craig — 5/2/2006 @ 11:14 pm

    22. Craig,

      When our bishop asks me to organise moving, I ask him if he contacted the home teachers. If not, I pass the information on to the home teachers and let them co-ordinate it.

      Comment by Kim Siever — 5/3/2006 @ 10:21 am

    23. We recently had a new EQ Pres set apart in our ward. After the setting apart the Stake Pres had a few words to say about the new EQ Pres’s duties.

      “Pres. ___________ it is not your job to run a moving company. I want you to know it, and I want everyone here to know it. You may wish to assign someone to coordinate these types of activities, but that is up to your discretion.”

      You could see the look of relief on the new EQ Pres’s face when the SP said this.

      It was good to hear, and even better to hear it from someone in authority, and said with authority.

      Comment by Talon — 5/3/2006 @ 2:40 pm

    24. I wonder if what she really got was a lecture. Maybe she took it that way. I love to help out in the situations you describe. If someone asked for privacy, I’d honor that, but a little help can go a long way, and it’s a privilege that way.

      #2 Paul, I love yourEQ president. Way to go. That would tick me off so bad when people expected us to pack.

      Capt. Obsidian, your comments to the widow annoy me. Would you want someone to treat your wife that way if you died?

      As a young widow, I had to negotiate a lot of treacherous waters and I was grateful for any help I got. I seldom asked, but still…

      Comment by annegb — 5/7/2006 @ 7:04 pm

    25. Re: high priests as EQ presidents

      Sounds like the policy has changed. About 15 years ago a high priest was called as EQ president in our ward. He was a friend of some of the Brethren. Within a few days of his telling one of his friends of the calling, instructions came from SLC to our stake president to release him and call an elder as president immediately.

      Comment by DavidH — 5/8/2006 @ 11:46 am

    26. That is a really interesting thing, DavidH. I’ll see what I can dig up.

      Comment by J. Stapley — 5/8/2006 @ 6:28 pm

    27. OK, I’m getting ill. I agree that people should be prepared to move if people are going to help them if at all possible. I agree that it’s not necessarily something that should be the Elders’ Quorum President’s job to coordinate the move of everyone ever. But why the fuss over helping someone out?

      It’s not service if the people asking are fully capable of doing it themselves.

      That’s rot. People are capable of all sorts of things. Doesn’t mena they should have to always do everything. Personally, I think it’s great to be able to help someone have a less arduous time of things than they otherwise might. If I get up early and make breakfast for my wife on a day whe would otherwise do it, that’s service, even though she is certainly capable of making her breakfast.

      I’ve sworn to my wife that we’re never moving again until we can afford to pay people to do whatever we cannot do for ourselves.

      Who gets this sort of luxury in deciding to move. I move when I have to, personally. And what, if someone scrapes to get into a house (a case of a voluntary move), let’s certainly deny them home ownership until they can foot the bill for movers, as well.
      I recently had four days in between business trips to move my family. One day was Sunday. My wife was pregnant. I’m thankful to everyone who lifted a box. I’m thankful to the person in the new ward who helped my wife unpack dishes. I’m thankful to the student who had no particular reason to be there that hepled clean our old place. We’d have had real problems without help. It would have gotten done, but I was glad people didn’t decide to test the issue.
      When our child was born, I certainly could have cooked those few meals that people brought to us. But one little sleep and work pressure, I accepted those meals.
      Please, self suficency isn’t isolation.
      The role of the EQ is certainly an issue. I think it is just to say that this shouldn’t be the EQP’s job, but I also think that we should know the brothers in our quorum well enough that when we find out they are moving we wouldn’t be anywhere else but their house, hepling them move, if we can, if only because it’s the last chance to help someone we love. Someone moving in–it’s our first chance to let them know we welcome them.
      Enough rant. It’s at least partly the jetlag talking.

      Comment by Steve H — 5/24/2006 @ 7:38 pm

    28. I’m with you, Steve.

      Comment by annegb — 5/26/2006 @ 12:07 pm

    29. Steve, good for you for standing

      Comment by Matt — 6/25/2006 @ 6:09 pm

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