On the increasing uselessness of Google.....

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Sunday, January 2. 2011

On the increasing uselessness of Google.....

The lead up to the Christmas and New Year holidays required researching a number of consumer goods to buy, which of course meant using Google to search for them and ratings reviews thereof. But this year it really hit home just how badly Google's systems have been spammed, as typically anything on Page 1 of the search results was some form of SEO spam - most typically a site that doesn't actually sell you anything, just points to other sites (often doing the same thing) while slipping you some Ads (no doubt sold as "relevant"). The other main scamsite type is one that copies part of the relevant Wikipedia entry and throws lots of Ads at you. It wasn't just me who found this - Paul Kedrosky found the same:

Google has become a snake that too readily consumes its own keyword tail. Identify some words that show up in profitable searches -- from appliances, to mesothelioma suits, to kayak lessons -- churn out content cheaply and regularly, and you're done. On the web, no-one knows you're a content-grinder.

The result, however, is awful. Pages and pages of Google results that are just, for practical purposes, advertisements in the loose guise of articles, original or re-purposed. It hearkens back to the dark days of 1999, before Google arrived, when search had become largely useless, with results completely overwhelmed by spam and info-clutter.

And I can't believe Google doesn't know this - nor does Paul:

Google has to know this. The problem is too big and too obvious to miss. But it's hard to know what you can do algorithmically to solve the problem. Content creators are simply using Google against itself, feeding its hungry crawlers the sort of thing that Google loves to consume, to the detriment of search results and utility. For my part it has had a number of side-effects. One, I avoid searching for things that are likely to score high in Google keyword searches. Appliances are an example, but there are many more, most of which I use mechanisms other than broad search. Second, it has made me more willing to pay for things. In this case I ended up paying for a Consumer Reports review of dishwashers -- the opportunity cost of continuing to try to sort through the info-crap in Google results was simply too high.

Reading the comment's on Paul's blog post was interesting - you can parse the responses into 3 broad groups:

- Yes, we agree with you, and here are some tips on how to deal with it
- Yes, but its not poor Google's fault, its those evil spammers (ie Google has no way of changing their systems and is at the mercy of SEO)
- No, there is no problem, this is the best of all possible solutions (complete bollocks IMHO, it was definitely better a few years ago)

(Ignoring the ones trying to pimp their own products or agendas of course, and the end posts comparing the economics of online vs library copies of Consumer Reports.....)

Ignoring these comments, I have found my behaviour is exactly the same as Paul's , i.e. increasingly reaching for paid-for, edited research (Which? in the UK) as Google and some of the "comparison" sights (clearly flooded with Spam, Sock Puppets and Sleazeoids) become less and less credible. (Another aside - I had a gift voucher from Amazon, and searching for a book I wanted I found Page 1 was totally full of results for the book on Kindle, which was very irritating - they need to allow one to select e-book and/or book).

The interesting question to me is what happens if this gets worse, as Google risks attacks on 2 fronts:

(i) Other search engines decide to eschew Ads for accuracy and cut down the spamming, to gain market share. There is an article on Techcrunch today about Blekko, which appears to promise this.

(ii) The market for paid-for search and research grows - how much would you pay per month for a neutral search engine? Which? costs about £7 a month, would you pay that for a neutral engine?

Frankly, I don't believe that it is not possible to reduce this sort of spam, I think Google's problem is more that it is trying to navigate a line between income (systemically the more spam there is, the more Ad money it makes) and usefulness (how much spam can you run before the user walks away) and has veered too far to the spamside.

Update - this piece was ReTwt'd by Tim O'Reilly, and had the equivalent of a slashdotting so down went our server - fortunately those nice people over at Hacker News pointed to the proxies pronto. I liked two of the themes in the comments there:

(i) a lot of these sites must be known, ditto their pattern, so just a few weeks judicious "mechanical turk" work should have a large 80/20 impact

(ii) Google is like a monoculture, and thus parasites have a major impact once they have adapted to it - especially if Google has "lost the war". If search was more heterogenous, spamsites would find it more costly to scam every site. That is a very interesting argument against the level of Google market dominance

Update 2 - Anil Dash and Coding Horror have picked up on the same issue today.

Update 3 - Bruse Sterling has picked up on the story - his comment:

"we may be approaching a period where the machines will feed you an infinite amount of cunningly-engineered gibberish"
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#1 dennis mcdonald (Homepage) on 2011-01-02 22:39 (Reply)
Yes, I would pay 10 Euro a month for a neutral... Google!!
Whenever I try other search engines I am always back home to Google, spam or not spam, it just works.
The others are pretty much behind.
#2 Gabriele Bozzi (Homepage) on 2011-01-02 23:07 (Reply)
Maybe is worse than it was a few years ago because the sheer quantity of spam has increased?

None of my recent product searches on Google UK has turned up a lot of spam. I think the problem lies with keywords like "reviews" and "ratings" which attract a lot of search engine spam, and spamming of user generated content sites.
#3 Graeme (Homepage) on 2011-01-03 10:43 (Reply)
While I agree with Gabriele (the competition does it even worse), another factor making Google results bad (read: highly gameable) is the efficiency of automated blog farm software, which easily rank by interlinking blogs consisting of spinned articles. Google is completely powerless when it comes to fighting this articial content and popularity.

All those problems put together might be Google's demise in the long run, or the advent of another type of search engine (with social input, for instance). All the recent bells and whistles (instant et all) might just be a smokescreen to cover the limits of the current algorithm.
#4 Max (Homepage) on 2011-01-03 13:56 (Reply)
If you tried to use social networks or user-driven contributions to improve search results, the spammers would figure out how to make "contributions" to game that system, as well. It's hard to dream up a free and effective alternative to the big search engines.
#4.1 Chris Falter (Homepage) on 2011-01-27 15:43 (Reply)
Yes, I saw it in Tim's tweet in the morning but could'nt open the link- but here I am, fourteen hours later, because I wanted to read this! Bringing down a server does'nt make information dissappear!
#5 sangeeta rai on 2011-01-03 15:15 (Reply)
I guess I adapted to this before Google really existed, and therefore never used Google for product reviews. Back in high school I worked for the public library, and was tasked with providing recommendations for programming and other technical books. Amazon was around, and was the biggest bookseller. In fact, I think at the time, they didn't really sell anything else.

The user reviews were incredibly helpful. Now that Amazon sells practically everything, they're my first stop when I'm looking for product reviews. It never even occurred to me to use Google or Bing to find a product review because I just assumed that the results would be spammy, and the meta-curation method Amazon uses ("Was this review helpful to you?" Brilliant!) works very well.

(Substitute NewEgg for hardware, and other sites for more domain-specific product information.)
#6 Rian (Homepage) on 2011-01-03 15:28 (Reply)
Re: Amazon. If you want Books, select 'Books'. If you want e-Books, select 'Kindle Store'.
#7 Nick Smith (Homepage) on 2011-01-03 15:53 (Reply)
Just FYI, Paul's article is from December *2009*, in case you hadn't noticed. Which means it's been this bad for over a year now. Oy.
#8 Ryan on 2011-01-03 17:21 (Reply)
Interesting point about competition. I think the reason that Google is so dominant and so hard to compete with is the size of its index. It can afford to build and maintain this because it has so much revenue and this has become a virtuous (or vicious) circle. Perhaps the EU should force Google to open its index to competitors who can use their own algorithms? This is a bit like BSkyB being forced to wholesale content via other platforms.
#9 David Short on 2011-01-03 18:20 (Reply)
@Ryan - I didn't clock Paul's article was from 2009, I read the Techcrunch article talking about it a few days ago and realised I had the same experience.

@Nick I was on "books" - interestingly, today the same search has the first Kindle entry at position 4.

@David I am intrigued by the idea of parasites in a Google monoculture, I think that is a realistic model.
#10 Alan P on 2011-01-03 21:33 (Reply)
This article is just a scrap of Paul's article with some anodyne commentary around it. spacer
#11 Joseph banks on 2011-01-05 10:55 (Reply)
Hey Alan,

We're hoping that a more semantic-driven search will be the answer to the problem that Google is having. We built Pikimal (www.pikimal.com) to create Pikis for products or choices that are solely driven by facts and the percentage of preference a searcher chooses to place on facets of any product. It allows us to suggest something like dishwashers by an equal combination of price, features, etc. Check it out sometime and let us know what you think. As we improve our algorithm and increase the information in our Pikis, we hope to provide an outlet for search results and recommendations that is marketing free, bias-free, not advertisement driven and beneficial to everyone seeking information on the web.
#12 Cody Musser (Homepage) on 2011-01-06 16:14 (Reply)

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